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Unconditional Love Through The Work:Meeting Grief Without Belief

Byron Katie
Byron Katie
Mar 26, 2018
12 min de leitura

Byron Katie works with a woman who has lost a son to AIDS 18 years ago and is now struggling with her daughter's mental illness. Through The Work—Katie's four-question inquiry method—the woman learns to separate her mental images and stories about her daughter from the reality of her daughter as she is. Katie teaches that when we believe our thoughts about people we love, we create an entire false world in our minds that disconnects us from actual relationship. By questioning these beliefs and returning to what is real (present-moment sensory experience, the breath, the person in front of us), we can meet our loved ones—and our grief—with unconditional love rather than the fear and horror that attaches to our mental storylines.

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What Is The Work and How Does It Address Grief?

The Work is Byron Katie's four-question inquiry method designed to help people question the beliefs that cause suffering. As Katie explains it in this session, the process begins with the simplest question: "Is it true?" When Sherry, the woman Katie is working with, expresses her belief that her eldest son died 18 years ago, Katie asks her to meditate on that question. Rather than rushing to agreement, Katie invites genuine inquiry. "As you meditate on a question, you never know what you're going to find," Katie says. This is not about denying facts—Sherry's son did die. Rather, it's about distinguishing what actually happened from the story we tell ourselves about what happened, and more importantly, from the mental images we create that feel so real we lose touch with present reality.

For someone grieving, this distinction is crucial. Katie works with Sherry on her waking thought: "I'll never see her again"—referring not to her deceased son but to her daughter, whom she fears is slipping away due to mental illness. By applying The Work, Sherry can begin to separate the image of her daughter alone and in trouble from her actual daughter. The image is a mental creation; her actual daughter exists in the present moment, and Sherry's access to her depends on whether Sherry is lost in the image or present to reality.

How Do Mental Images Create Suffering?

Katie emphasizes a core insight: "When you're believing that these images are real, it's so powerful; you can't see the hand in front of you!" The mind constructs a complete world out of images and thoughts. When Sherry thinks about her daughter's mental illness, her mind generates images: her daughter alone, desperate, in trouble, possibly dying as her son did. These images feel like proof of a real, future disaster. But Katie distinguishes between the image and reality: "Do you see your daughter? Is that an image or is it real?"

Sherry answers truthfully: "That's an image." The image of her daughter is not her daughter. Yet because the image carries emotional weight—because Sherry adds her fear, her story, her mental soundtrack to it—the image feels more real than the actual present moment. "You have a picture in your head and then you believe a story onto that picture," Katie says. "You make the image real with your mental soundtrack. So you're not even connected with your daughter."

This is the paradox of belief in our mental images: the stronger we believe them, the more disconnected we become from the person we claim to be concerned about. Sherry recognizes this immediately: "I'm not waking up thinking about my daughter—I'm waking up and telling myself a story about my daughter." Katie affirms this and goes deeper: "Are you doing that thinking, or is it just happening?" When Sherry says it just happens, Katie responds: "Yes. You're not doing it. And it's completely harmless until you believe what you're thinking."

What Is the Difference Between What's Real and What's Not?

Katie invites Sherry to close her eyes and notice the emotions that arise as she watches the mental images. Then, crucially, she asks: "Who would you be just in this moment without the thought: my oldest son died 16 years ago?" This question pivots attention from the thought and image to present reality. Without the thought, Sherry is simply sitting in a chair. She can feel her breath. She can feel the support of the chair beneath her. She can notice her hand wiping tears from her eye. This is real.

Katie describes this shift as a kind of waking up: "It's like maturing, growing up, knowing the difference between what is real and what is not. It's like walking out of a movie and noticing that the sun is shining." When we are absorbed in the mental movie—the images of loss, disaster, and death—we lose touch with the actual world: the breath, the body, the living person in front of us, the support of the earth beneath us.

For Sherry, who has lost one child and now watches another struggle with mental illness, this distinction offers a pathway through grief that does not require denying the facts. Her son did die. But the son who died is not the son she carries in her heart when she is not believing the story. The son in her heart is alive in memory, in the ways she sees the world for him, in the ongoing relationship that death cannot sever. Katie says: "Death cannot take my child from me. Nothing can keep me from my child. Not imagination. It's just imagination."

How Does Turnaround Help Us Meet Loss with Love Rather Than Fear?

The Work's final step is turnaround—taking the original belief and reversing it to see what other perspectives are equally or more true. When Katie has Sherry turn around "My son died 16 years ago of AIDS," Sherry discovers: "My son didn't die 16 years ago of AIDS." What does that mean? "He's here in my heart. He's here in my memory. It feels like I see him in many, I see him when I see the world." This is not denial. It is a fuller, more present truth. Her son is also here, in consciousness, in how she moves through the world, in the ways she recognizes him.

Katie extends this inquiry to Sherry's primary suffering: her daughter. Sherry describes waking up in terror, convinced her daughter will die as her son did. Katie asks: "So you wake up thinking about your daughter?" Sherry begins to apply The Work herself: "Well, are you doing that thinking, or is it just happening?" The thought simply arises. It is not a conscious choice. Katie guides Sherry toward acceptance without belief: "You said, I can't seem to enjoy anything else until I know she is all right." Then Katie asks what Sherry actually knows: that her daughter is alive right now, that she can see her, that they can be in contact. The waiting and the terror are mental constructs.

Katie describes the ultimate aim: "Until I meet everything with unconditional love, my Work's not done." This is not sentimentality. It is radical honesty. When Sherry believes the mental image of her daughter alone and in trouble, she meets that image with fear and horror. She cannot see her actual daughter. She cannot be with her. But when Sherry questions the belief—when she realizes the image is not her daughter—she can meet her daughter with love. She can hear things her daughter is saying without the filter of fear. She can see her daughter's qualities and kindness without the lens of dread.

Can Connection Exist Without the Story?

One of Katie's most provocative insights is that the story—the thought "my son died of AIDS"—actually blocks the connection we believe we're protecting through grief. "When you believe the thought without the thought," Katie says, meaning when you set aside the belief in the story, "this may sound a little crazy but it happened in your life without the thought: my son died of AIDS. He could be in the next room." Sherry responds: "Yes, I feel that way a lot of the time." Katie affirms: "That's connected. That's connection without the grief."

This is counterintuitive. We often believe that grieving—obsessing about loss, generating mental images of the worst outcomes, staying in the pain—is how we honor the person we've lost or how we stay close to them. But Katie points to the opposite truth: when we are lost in the thought and the image, we are not actually with the person. We are with our mental movie. Real connection happens when we question the thought, release the image, and meet the person (or the memory of the person, or even the relationship itself) as it actually is, right now, in this moment.

Katie notes that this applies to Sherry's daughter as well. Sherry has created a comprehensive mental narrative: "I am the mother who has lost a child," and now "I am the mother who is losing another." She uses this identity to explain why she cannot enjoy anything, why she must carry the burden of worry constantly. But Katie gently challenges this: "And what is she addicted to?" The answer is the thought, the story, the identity. Sherry is addicted to the image of her daughter as broken and alone, even though this addiction—this belief—is precisely what keeps her disconnected from her daughter.

What Does Meeting Unconditional Love Actually Mean?

Katie's teaching on unconditional love is not abstract. It is grounded in the simple practice of questioning our beliefs and returning to what is real. Unconditional love, in this context, means meeting another person (or the memory of them) without the conditions we've placed on them through our thoughts. When Sherry believes "My daughter will never get better," or "I see her alone and in trouble," she is meeting her daughter with conditions: *if you get better, then I can love you; if you're not dying like your brother, then I can be with you.* These conditions are embedded in the images.

Unconditional love means releasing those images and meeting what is actually present. When Sherry stops believing the image of her daughter alone, she can see her daughter as she is. When she stops believing the thought "my son died," she can feel her son's presence in her heart, in memory, in the way she sees the world. This is not a retreat into denial or spiritual bypassing. It is the most practical, grounded response to loss: to distinguish between what actually happened and the mental elaborations we've added, and to meet reality with openness rather than with the armor of a protective story.

As Katie says: "The only daughter I've ever known is the daughter in my mind. When I can't believe anything negative about her image any longer, then I'm connected with her. I'm fearless." This statement cuts to the heart of the teaching. The daughter in Katie's mind is not a real daughter; it is an image. But we do not actually know any person except through images and stories in our minds. The liberation comes when we recognize those images are images—when we stop confusing the map with the territory. Then we can be with the actual person, moment by moment, without the filter of fear.

How Does This Teach Us to Model Love for Our Children?

Sherry also expresses a concern about her children: what kind of example is she setting? By staying lost in worry and terror, she is showing them that this is how to be human. Katie agrees but turns it toward hope: the best example Sherry can give her children is to become clear, present, and loving. Not by forcing positivity or denying the real struggles her children face, but by meeting those struggles—and her own grief—with the capacity to distinguish reality from belief.

When Sherry is caught in the image of her daughter's addiction or mental illness, she is powerless. But when she questions the thought, she can see her daughter more clearly. She can respond to what her daughter actually needs rather than to the disaster in her mind. She can model for her children what maturity looks like: the capacity to hold both the facts (her son is dead; her daughter is struggling) and the perspective (they are still here in her heart; she can still be present to them; the relationship continues) without being collapsed into either one alone.

Where to Go From Here

For anyone grieving, or for anyone who wakes up each day with mental images of loss or disaster, The Work offers a practical method. You can start with the simple question Katie uses: "Is it true?" Get still. Meditate on it. Do not rush to the next question. Notice what you actually know versus what you believe. Then ask: "Can I absolutely know that it's true?" This question is not about certainty; it is about opening the possibility that what feels most real might not be the whole story.

The third question—"How do I react when I believe this thought?"—invites you to notice the emotions and the mental images that arise. Do not judge them. Just witness them, as Sherry learns to do. And finally: "Who would I be without this thought?" This is the question that grounds you in present reality, in your breath, in the actual world that is happening right now, separate from your mental movie.

For those interested in The Work, Katie's website and live sessions offer guided inquiries. The method is not meant to replace grief or to deny loss. Rather, it is meant to clarify what is happening in the mind so that love—unconditional, fearless love—can flow freely toward the people we cherish, whether they are alive or in memory.

Transcript

[0:01] - Hello, everyone.

[0:02] Hello, welcome to Conversations and

[0:08] I'd like to invite Sherry.

[0:10] Sherry, are you online?

[0:13] Hi.

[0:14] - Hi.

[0:15] - Hi, so Sherry, what did you write?

[0:18] If you read out loud what you to me

[0:22] then we're all on the same page.

[0:25] - Okay.

[0:26] What I actually wrote was that

[0:28] my eldest son died 18 years ago of AIDS.

[0:32] Now I feel I am losing my daughter to mental health issues

[0:37] and I'm unable to reach her.

[0:39] My heart aches so badly

[0:41] that I'm afraid I am making myself sick

[0:43] but can't seem to make it go away,

[0:46] no matter how often I do The Work.

[0:48] I wake up thinking about her, what if I never see her again?

[0:53] I can't seem to enjoy anything else

[0:56] until I know she is all right.

[0:58] The waiting is always in the back of my mind.

[1:02] - Yeah.

[1:03] Wow honey, wow, that's a lot.

[1:05] That's a lot, you know.

[1:08] So your oldest son died

[1:13] 16 years ago with AIDS.

[1:16] - Yeah.

[1:16] - So your oldest son died, is it true?

[1:21] - Yes.

[1:23] - Can you really know that it's true that he died?

[1:27] And all of you listening to this out there, you know,

[1:30] this isn't just shooting from the hip.

[1:33] I'm in fact inviting you to consider,

[1:35] can you absolutely know, can you really know that he died?

[1:40] Or in your case,

[1:44] sweetheart, your oldest son.

[1:47] - Mm-hmm.

[1:49] - It's a yes or no, all of you out there,

[1:52] I'm going to remind you that the first two questions,

[1:56] is it true, can I absolutely know that it's true?

[1:58] The answer, you just wait.

[2:00] You meditate on that question until you're shown

[2:05] something that maybe you didn't expect.

[2:11] So your son died.

[2:15] Can you absolutely know that it's true?

[2:17] - No.

[2:19] - So you feel it?

[2:20] - Yeah.

[2:21] - I mean just allow, give that no inside of you space.

[2:27] Now, a lot of you out there may be saying that's ridiculous.

[2:30] You know, what are you talking about?

[2:33] But I always trust the one I'm with.

[2:36] If you say no then that's where you're at

[2:41] and what you have discovered inside of you

[2:45] as you set in that question, that's yours.

[2:49] And the rest of the world may not agree

[2:53] but when we go inside of us we get came for if we get still.

[2:59] And I work with people all the time

[3:01] where the answer to the first two questions is yes.

[3:04] It's always yes and that's okay.

[3:07] This is personal work.

[3:09] So as we meditate on a question,

[3:12] we never know what we're going to find.

[3:16] And then if in that no,

[3:18] if you're finding an no there, you know,

[3:21] don't just shift quickly to the third question

[3:25] or the second question.

[3:26] Just allow, give that,

[3:30] give your no space,

[3:33] especially someone that has suffered like you have Sherry.

[3:40] We could use a little space.

[3:41] - Yes.

[3:44] - We could use a lot of space.

[3:49] Now, notice what happens when you think that thought.

[3:52] Notice the image that comes to mind.

[3:56] The image of past and future

[4:00] and that's what's happening right now for you.

[4:03] You're experiencing sadness, you know,

[4:06] I'm assuming sadness, bereavement,

[4:09] because you're witnessing movies in your head

[4:13] of your son, of your daughter.

[4:18] You know, so if I'm meditating on that third question,

[4:21] how do I react when I think the thought?

[4:24] My son died 16 years ago,

[4:28] my mind easily goes to my daughter,

[4:32] and I see her dying just like my son.

[4:36] - Oh.

[4:38] - You see it?

[4:39] - Yes.

[4:40] - Okay, now Sherry is that image,

[4:45] is that an image or your daughter?

[4:47] Is that real or false, that image?

[4:51] Is that a real live person or an image?

[4:54] - That's an image.

[4:56] - It's an image, that is not your daughter.

[4:58] - No, it's not.

[5:00] And that is not your son.

[5:02] You see that image of him dying of AIDS,

[5:05] is that an image?

[5:07] Is it real or false?

[5:10] - It's just a body.

[5:11] - It's just, it's an image.

[5:16] Not even a real body.

[5:18] - Oh.

[5:20] - Not even that.

[5:23] Pure imagination.

[5:26] And as you witness that, you think that that's your son,

[5:31] you think that that's your daughter.

[5:34] Now close your eyes sweetheart

[5:36] and as you experience this thought: my son died 16 years ago

[5:42] and you see those images,

[5:44] notice as you witness those images

[5:46] the emotions that happen as you sit in that dream.

[5:53] So real.

[5:58] Notice what happens.

[6:00] - Yes.

[6:03] - And what you experience emotionally

[6:05] as you believe the thought:

[6:09] well the son died 16 years ago.

[6:19] Now, you may be seeing images of you alone,

[6:22] I'll never see him again

[6:23] and you see you alone.

[6:30] So I think the emotions are very clear to you and to us.

[6:34] - Yes.

[6:36] - Now, with your eyes closed continue to be there.

[6:38] Now, who would you be just in this moment

[6:43] without the thought: my oldest son died 16 years ago.

[6:51] And just notice where you're sitting, notice your breath,

[6:58] and notice witnessing those image

[6:59] without believing they're real.

[7:04] Just notice those images of your son and daughter,

[7:09] of you, see them for what they are.

[7:16] Just so they can no longer trick you,

[7:19] you're no longer under the power of the imagination.

[7:23] - Oh.

[7:26] - It's like maturing, growing up,

[7:29] knowing the difference between what is real and what is not.

[7:35] And notice--

[7:36] - Wow.

[7:36] - Yeah, so notice where you're sitting

[7:39] and notice your finger moving the tears from your eye,

[7:42] fixing your glasses.

[7:45] The real.

[7:47] - Yes.

[7:50] - Are you okay?

[7:51] - Yeah.

[7:52] - In reality, we're always okay.

[7:56] There's no loneliness in it.

[7:59] We're present.

[8:02] We're not fooled.

[8:04] - Oh.

[8:07] - We're free.

[8:10] You see the wall and the ceiling

[8:12] and you feel support of the chair that's holding you?

[8:15] - Yes.

[8:20] - So that's like walking out of the movie

[8:22] and noticing oh, the sun is shining.

[8:29] Or I walked in what was day

[8:31] and now the stars are out

[8:33] but it is what it is.

[8:39] So my oldest son died 16 years ago,

[8:43] turn it around, I.

[8:48] - I died 16 years ago.

[8:50] - Yes, what does that turnaround mean to you?

[8:52] I died 16 years ago.

[8:57] - That part of me died.

[9:00] - Yes, yes it did.

[9:02] - Mm-hmm.

[9:04] - The joy.

[9:12] The clarity.

[9:16] Your life as you knew it.

[9:24] - It's true.

[9:28] - And this may sound strange

[9:30] but in some way the love of our son dies

[9:35] because we see those images of him dying of AIDS

[9:39] and we're horrified as opposed to connected.

[9:49] Why can't we see people we love

[9:54] without fear of who and what they are and what state.

[10:00] It's like your pain frightens me

[10:04] but who would I would I be without that story?

[10:09] You know, connected.

[10:11] And you can see things in his condition like AIDS.

[10:17] You can see things about him as you sit still

[10:22] witnessing who would you be without the thought:

[10:25] my son died 16 years ago with AIDS.

[10:28] You can witness what you saw then,

[10:32] fearlessly.

[10:35] You can hear things he was saying to you,

[10:37] you were too frightened or

[10:39] we'll say frightened to hear.

[10:43] And you can see all those acts of kindness, you extend it.

[10:55] You can be with him.

[10:58] Death cannot take my child from me.

[11:02] - It's true.

[11:04] - Nothing can keep me from my child.

[11:06] Not imagination.

[11:10] It's just imagination.

[11:17] - Oh.

[11:24] - You know, I think if when you

[11:27] believe the thought without the thought,

[11:33] this may sound a little crazy

[11:34] but it happened in your life

[11:36] without the thought: my son died of AIDS.

[11:39] He could be in the next room.

[11:42] - Yes, I feel that way.

[11:45] - Yeah.

[11:46] - A lot of the time.

[11:46] - That's connected.

[11:49] That's connection without the grief.

[11:52] An inquiry takes care of the grief end of it.

[11:57] - Okay.

[11:58] - And we're left connected.

[12:00] - Okay.

[12:04] - So my eldest son died 16 years ago of AIDS,

[12:09] turned around, my son didn't.

[12:13] - My son didn't die 16 years ago of AIDS.

[12:17] - So what does that turnaround mean to you?

[12:21] - He's here in my heart.

[12:23] He's here in my memory.

[12:25] It feels like

[12:27] I see him in many,

[12:31] I see him when I see the world.

[12:33] - Yeah.

[12:33] - Like I see it for him.

[12:35] - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[12:40] That's how every parent sees their children.

[12:43] You know, they're at work, the children at school,

[12:45] and they see them the same way.

[12:47] - Right, that's true.

[12:49] - You know, it's pure imagination.

[12:52] - Mm-hmm.

[12:53] - Not right or wrong, it just is.

[12:58] Freedom is,

[13:02] it's a beautiful thing

[13:03] and it's it's our birthright.

[13:06] It's everyone's birthright to understand that

[13:11] we all have the capacity to understand what is real

[13:13] and what is not.

[13:16] - Mm-hmm.

[13:18] - And we do, it's just that what we're believing,

[13:20] those images are so powerful

[13:24] that we can't see the hand in front of us.

[13:29] In other words, the gift in front of us.

[13:33] And the gift that we are.

[13:35] Even this.

[13:39] So you say sweetheart,

[13:42] that you wake up thinking about your daughter.

[13:46] - Yes.

[13:48] - So get very still, is that true?

[13:51] Can you absolutely know that it's true

[13:53] that that's how you wake up?

[13:56] That you're not thinking things prior to that?

[14:02] - No, I don't know it's true.

[14:04] It seems that that's the first thought I notice.

[14:08] - Yes, it's the one that grabs your attention.

[14:11] - Yes.

[14:12] - Now, you wake up thinking about her.

[14:15] Now, is that her you woke up thinking about

[14:20] or is that imagination?

[14:22] - It's my fear, its imagination.

[14:25] - It's an image.

[14:26] - Yeah.

[14:27] - It's an image and then you

[14:32] have like, it's like you have a picture

[14:35] and then you have a story you put on the picture.

[14:40] So that's imagination and then you write,

[14:43] you believe a story on to that.

[14:47] So you wake up thinking about your daughter.

[14:53] Is that true?

[14:54] Can you absolutely know that it's true

[14:56] that that's how you wake up?

[14:57] - No.

[15:00] - And how do you react when you believe that thought?

[15:06] From the bedroom, like you're in bed,

[15:10] you have the thought: that's my daughter.

[15:15] You're thinking about her.

[15:16] - Mm-hmm.

[15:17] - What do you see, what images do you see in that moment,

[15:20] in that situation?

[15:30] - I see her alone and in trouble.

[15:33] - Yeah, now is that your daughter alone in trouble?

[15:40] - That's what I tell myself.

[15:42] - It's what you believe on to that image.

[15:47] You make the image real with your soundtrack,

[15:50] your mental soundtrack.

[15:52] - Mm-hmm, okay.

[15:54] - So you see her in trouble and alone

[15:59] and as you witness that,

[16:02] first thing in the morning as you witness that,

[16:04] what happens to your life in that moment?

[16:09] - It's pretty heavy, it feels heavy on my heart.

[16:19] I don't, I disconnect, I don't connect.

[16:23] It takes me a while, I do connect finally

[16:25] but I have to sit still for quite a long time

[16:30] to get into the now.

[16:31] - Yes, yes.

[16:34] Yes and who would you be without the thought,

[16:39] you notice you are in the now.

[16:43] - Oh, I feel really good. (laughs)

[16:45] - Yeah.

[16:46] - And I'm there.

[16:47] - Yeah but without the thought, you are in the now.

[16:50] - Yeah, yeah.

[16:52] - So I'm believing these thoughts about an image,

[16:57] not my daughter.

[17:01] - Yes.

[17:03] - I don't, you know, I'm not even connected

[17:04] with my daughter.

[17:05] I'm too busy believing on images.

[17:12] - That feels really true.

[17:14] - Well, it's what's going on.

[17:15] - Uh-huh.

[17:16] - It's what's really going on.

[17:19] - Okay.

[17:20] - And we wonder why we're so confused and lost

[17:25] and suffering, that's a cause of all suffering.

[17:29] We believe our thoughts, in other words, we believe

[17:34] what we're believing about an image that's in our head

[17:38] and we disconnect from life as it really is.

[17:45] So I wake up thinking about my daughter, turn it around.

[17:54] What is the opposite of

[17:56] I wake up thinking about my daughter?

[17:59] - I don't wake up thinking about my daughter.

[18:01] - So give me an example.

[18:05] - So I wake up

[18:09] telling myself a story

[18:12] or I wake up and then I start telling myself a story.

[18:15] - Yeah and are you doing that or is it just happening?

[18:19] - It just happens.

[18:20] - Yeah.

[18:21] - It just happens.

[18:23] - You're not doing it.

[18:25] - Okay.

[18:27] - And it is completely harmless until

[18:30] you believe what you're thinking about the image.

[18:34] - Okay.

[18:40] So I just say goodbye, thought.

[18:42] - Well, what I do is

[18:46] I stay with it and I notice.

[18:49] - Okay.

[18:50] - I meditate on that image as I question

[18:54] what I'm believing about that image.

[18:57] - Okay.

[18:58] - I just stay with it,

[19:02] until I meet everything with unconditional love,

[19:06] my work's not done.

[19:10] I can't tell it goodbye because it could come back.

[19:14] - Yes, it does.

[19:15] - So once I understand it, it comes back

[19:18] and there's no negative power to it.

[19:22] There's just connection.

[19:27] Just connection.

[19:29] You know, I have an image of my daughter

[19:34] and in this moment now I can see my son,

[19:37] now I can see my other son, here we are.

[19:41] You know, but I have questioned what,

[19:44] on a judge-your-neighbor worksheet,

[19:47] what I believed about my children and the world,

[19:52] dead or alive.

[19:54] And so now when the images come,

[19:56] it's amazing.

[19:59] I see an image of my mother dying.

[20:02] I see me there, the way it, I really experience it.

[20:08] There's nothing that's gonna move me from that image.

[20:12] That's my mother, it's the only mother I've ever known.

[20:15] The mother of my mind.

[20:20] And because I can't believe anything negative

[20:25] about it any longer, I'm connected.

[20:32] Don't have to run.

[20:35] Just be with

[20:37] present

[20:41] and

[20:43] fearless.

[20:51] Okay so, let's see

[20:55] if I've made any other notes here.

[20:59] So look at that image of your daughter alone and not okay,

[21:05] do you see that?

[21:08] - Yes.

[21:09] - Okay now, describe it.

[21:11] What is the situation you imagine?

[21:18] - I see her,

[21:23] actually I see her gambling.

[21:25] - Okay.

[21:27] - And alone and desperate and--

[21:31] - Okay, so is she playing cards?

[21:34] Is she--

[21:34] - She's playing on a machine.

[21:36] - Okay, so she's,

[21:39] now drop your story and look at her, look at that image.

[21:49] Without your story what do you see?

[21:54] Everyone that plays one of those machines is alone.

[21:57] (Sherry laughs)

[21:59] - That's true.

[22:00] - I mean there's only one person pulling that handle.

[22:03] It's very rare that two people pull it.

[22:05] - Right, right.

[22:10] - And look at her.

[22:15] Is she really desperate?

[22:16] Look at her.

[22:19] - No, she's really okay right then.

[22:22] - Well isn't that what matters.

[22:25] I mean because that's where you are.

[22:29] - She's taking care of herself whatever way--

[22:33] - She's doing what she does.

[22:36] That's her path.

[22:40] - Yes.

[22:46] - And you know, I look at my daughter

[22:48] and what is she addicted to

[22:52] and it turns around so quickly to what am I addicted to?

[22:56] - Yes.

[22:57] - And with you, as with many mothers,

[23:01] you're addicted to seeing your children in trouble

[23:04] in your mind's eye and believing it.

[23:09] The ultimate addiction is the mind believing itself.

[23:18] Its identity depends on it.

[23:23] I am the mother who has lost a child.

[23:26] I'm the mother who's about to lose another child.

[23:29] I am the mother with a frightened young daughter.

[23:34] I am the, does she look frightened to you

[23:37] as you look at that?

[23:39] As you--

[23:40] - No, I'm the one that's frightened.

[23:44] - Exactly, so you superimpose that

[23:48] on to her, on those images.

[23:51] - Yeah.

[23:51] - I am what I believe you to be,

[23:54] in the moment I believe you to be that.

[23:57] - Yeah.

[23:58] - So we can see the engine running that.

[24:04] Okay so,

[24:10] and I love this one.

[24:11] You said, I can't seem to enjoy anything else

[24:16] until I know that she's all right.

[24:18] (Sherry laughs)

[24:20] Okay so,

[24:22] notice a time

[24:25] recently

[24:27] when you were enjoying

[24:31] something.

[24:36] - Yeah, that's just not true.

[24:39] Yeah, I thought about it and I enjoy a lot.

[24:42] - Yeah.

[24:43] - A lot of the time.

[24:44] - And it's so beautiful to notice that

[24:47] because when the ego believes:

[24:50] I can't seem to enjoy anything else

[24:55] until I know that she's alright.

[24:57] It blots out

[25:02] those times in our life, it overrides everything.

[25:06] We believe it and we think it's forever.

[25:09] Even if we're happy all day long

[25:12] and then it hits, that is obliterated.

[25:17] It's 'cause we're dealing with mind that is so powerful,

[25:21] it would create a whole world.

[25:24] - Yes.

[25:31] Sometimes it feels as though,

[25:36] when I'm not thinking of that,

[25:39] that I'm not doing my job.

[25:42] - Yeah, like you're not a responsible parent.

[25:44] - Right.

[25:45] - Yeah so it--

[25:46] - Because I'm not worrying.

[25:47] - Yeah, responsible parents have to suffer.

[25:51] - Right. (laughs)

[25:51] - You know, but in my world until the suffering ended,

[25:58] I couldn't see myself as a responsible parent

[26:00] because I was sitting in your chair.

[26:03] The one you just pointed to.

[26:06] Yeah but it is my responsibility to be

[26:10] a happy

[26:13] connected

[26:14] human being and that's the best example for my children.

[26:20] When I found that, they shifted.

[26:23] And I don't know if that's how it works

[26:27] but I can tell you in my experience,

[26:29] that's how it worked.

[26:36] Thank You, Sherry.

[26:38] - Thank you.

[26:39] - And I would do a whole judge-your-neighbor worksheet

[26:42] on her gambling in that moment

[26:45] and I would do an entire judge-your-neighbor worksheet on

[26:51] the moment that you wake up

[26:54] and your son or daughter is in your head.

[27:00] And make friends with those,

[27:02] make friends with the ego.

[27:05] Eventually it comes to trust and it starts to let go

[27:08] and it just really all turns out to be one big laugh.

[27:12] - Okay. (laughs)

[27:14] - And we do that much better than suffering,

[27:16] it's effortless.

[27:17] Suffering is, it's major effort in.

[27:22] Thank you.

[27:23] - Thank you so much.

[27:24] - Bye, Sherry.

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